tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25030905.post1447383135044961826..comments2023-10-16T05:18:54.818-05:00Comments on Rev Abi's Long and Winding Road: I don't belong to the only true churchAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14654861033242845082noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25030905.post-25903857941743816322007-08-02T08:31:00.000-05:002007-08-02T08:31:00.000-05:00hi. I think the pope's only actually made a statem...hi. I think the pope's only actually made a statement on something that he and his church thought was true all along. In some ways it feels that JPII was just stringing us along cos this statement by Benedict turns the clock back a long, long way<BR/><BR/>"I don't believe in the Pope, I believe in Jesus." is about the best thing that can come out of this. And you know what, Jesus said He'd build His church. I think I'll just let Him - because it will be glorious <BR/><BR/>and it will be much much much more about ministry than right theology!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25030905.post-73323722752546820932007-07-19T14:13:00.000-05:002007-07-19T14:13:00.000-05:00Sorry - I thought I had posted this last night, bu...Sorry - I thought I had posted this last night, but each time I pushed enter another word verification popped up, so maybe not.<BR/><BR/>I took the "neither" and "nor" in the original quote to mean that while other "Christian communities" had "defects" (such as not believing the pope gives out God's divine words?!) we still have "significance" and "importance" in the "mystery of salvation." I took this to mean we are still saved. I looked at the CBC article too and the wording was identical to Abi's, so am I missing something?<BR/><BR/>As to the Catholic (as opposed to catholic) church, I have many friends raised RCC and I have visited many RCC churches. I like the ceremony, traditions, and even the possibility of daily communion services in the RCC. However, as a born and raised Presbyterian, I found other things, such as the supremacy of the pope, the need to confess to a priest rather than directly to God, etc., harder to understand. I also find the RCC's marginalization of women to be a significant weak point. However, I think that even the RCC can change. When I was a kid, my Catholic cousins were horrified that I didn't wear a plasticized picture of Jesus or a saint (it was a loong time ago - I'm not sure which) on a string around my neck. They worried that if I was killed in an accident, the gatekeeper in heaven wouldn't know I was Christian without the card around my neck. I don't think this is still taught in the RCC. So... maybe there's still room to hope for change. (And for more diplomatic, ecumenically inclusive language from the pope - "[RCC] is the only true church"!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25030905.post-30053426953059782382007-07-18T22:28:00.000-05:002007-07-18T22:28:00.000-05:00Very sad thoughts from the Pope.I listended with g...Very sad thoughts from the Pope.<BR/>I listended with great interst over the concern the RCC now has with a lessening number of priests.<BR/>Can't help but wonder if they changed their stance on some things and opened it up more, how different it coudl be.<BR/>Love RM's post on the questions.<BR/>There are many things I love about the RCC, have friends there and am close to folks in my own community.<BR/>The thing that is so great is our acceptance of one another and the realization that we are worshipping the same Lord.<BR/>I think the Pope is missing out on some of these things. Feels like, as with some other denominations, they might have taken a few steps back.1-4 Gracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05688216101068437927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25030905.post-92054894978066273932007-07-18T19:40:00.000-05:002007-07-18T19:40:00.000-05:00Yeah, I'm reconfirmed in my belief that the Cathol...Yeah, I'm reconfirmed in my belief that the Catholic Church (in which I was raised) is irrelevant in my life these days. Love some pf the people, don't love the dogma.mibi52/ The Rev. Dr. Mary Brennan Thorpehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02129758906278501568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25030905.post-80491631430473777912007-07-18T13:42:00.000-05:002007-07-18T13:42:00.000-05:00Actually, the Pope says we ARE still saved, (we ar...Actually, the Pope says we ARE still saved, (we are not deprived of salvation just because we are in error). Big of him, if you ask me. But he's not asking me, is he? Or any other woman, for that matter.<BR/>There are a lot of things that I have appreciated about the Catholic tradition (my husband is different; he believes it is a powerful instition and is suspicious of anything that powerful, and how they use their power). I appreciate the spirituality, the mystics, the breadth of tradition.<BR/>But then there is the matter of women.<BR/>In ministry.<BR/>Like reverend mother, maybe I think it's time to move on.Diane M. Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07749136181846671327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25030905.post-56768986763008902952007-07-18T08:02:00.000-05:002007-07-18T08:02:00.000-05:00Ok, I'll try to recreate my previous post. Essenti...Ok, I'll try to recreate my previous post. Essentially I said that I am unable to take the Pope seriously. I struggle with a process that "discerns" it's leader by the same group that the leader designated to lead ie the Pope designates all the Bishops and Cardinals etc. and these same men elect the next Pope. It makes me wonder just how much room is left for God and the HS to be a part of the "calling" process for the Pope...therefore I always wonder if the words of the Pope are God inspired or just human efforts to maintain a sense of control and order as we (or in this case, they) determine it. <BR/><BR/>I said that even as I acknowledge that I deeply appreciate much of RC spirtuality and thought and influence over the centuries. <BR/><BR/>This latest Pope has blundered over and over with Muslims, Jews, and Christians alike; and it seems to me he lacks a real sense of God-filled hospitality. Therefore I just don't take anything he says seriously. I feel sad for my RC brothers and sisters, (not necessarily my in-laws, but friends and colleagues), who have to live with these statements from their spiritual leader. <BR/><BR/>The rest of us, well I believe God was "in" the Reformation and therefore we are a valid expression of God and of God's love and action in the world through Jesus. You are not the one true Church just because you are "older." <BR/><BR/>Well, I said something like that. Thanks, Abi...Terrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15667178624061122421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25030905.post-66708656839721940732007-07-18T07:43:00.000-05:002007-07-18T07:43:00.000-05:00hmmm thought I posted here, but somehow didn't get...hmmm thought I posted here, but somehow didn't get through. I'll rethink and repost.Diane M. Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07749136181846671327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25030905.post-38871317071387563582007-07-18T01:26:00.000-05:002007-07-18T01:26:00.000-05:00Excellent thoughts! I agree totally. Moving on the...Excellent thoughts! I agree totally. Moving on then...Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528001127103773045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25030905.post-40056859422520879812007-07-17T22:23:00.000-05:002007-07-17T22:23:00.000-05:00mmmm... I think I used that pope/scmope phrase... ...mmmm... I think I used that pope/scmope phrase... anyhow... isn't being the Church tough enough? without going back to Latin? without pointing fingers about who's not worthy? my my... maybe he needs to get out of Vactican city a little more often? or have a shot of whiskey in his morning cup of joe? or read some Luther... but I might be biased on that. (Luther not the whiskey...)Hot Cup Lutheranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00125425492709186198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25030905.post-68318810184609319342007-07-17T19:40:00.000-05:002007-07-17T19:40:00.000-05:00revabi, not certain, since it's not posted, nor ha...revabi, not certain, since it's not posted, nor have I heard from you, if my comment last night was over-the-top or perhaps, evevn offensive to you. If so, I apologize. I guess I have stronger feelings than I thought, perhaps because I have a difficult time being taken seriously as a priest (albeit Episcopal) by my own Roman Catholic in-laws...hope all is well with you, since you have said you have a lot going on...Terrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15667178624061122421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25030905.post-24787942264354096622007-07-16T16:07:00.000-05:002007-07-16T16:07:00.000-05:00You said it well! "I believe in Jesus." And, as ...You said it well! "I believe in Jesus." <BR/><BR/>And, as I told leaders of the Methodist Church I currently serve, "my call is to follow Jesus" and, even tho' I'm ordained Presbyterian, I believe I can follow Jesus serving in Methodist Church or Presbyterian Church (or "ecclesial community") ... and/or other body of Christ <BR/><BR/>As one commenter on one of our RGBP pages put is pope/schmope! Jesus is the true head of his Church.Rev SShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14661507940053055640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25030905.post-92063470752401731422007-07-16T13:57:00.000-05:002007-07-16T13:57:00.000-05:00The Roman Catholic stand has not changed over the ...The Roman Catholic stand has not changed over the years. This is the same "stuff" the headship was saying when I was a little girl, many many years ago. So I guess we need to remember that and not expect anything to change it. <BR/><BR/>The Lord Jesus has not been able to change their hearts about the matter. Unfortunately it seems to be about "right doctrine" rather than right heart. I do believe our doctrines must be Biblical, but to eliminate others from Christianity is not theirs or ours to do. <BR/><BR/>God is still God, and Jesus still rules. Praise His name!Iris Godfreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08514316297577930499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25030905.post-67710037149525527222007-07-16T11:53:00.000-05:002007-07-16T11:53:00.000-05:00I was saddened by the Pope's comments as well. The...I was saddened by the Pope's comments as well. They are divisive in a time when we desperately need reconciliation and healing. Although there are certainly a number of places where there is outright strife between Catholics and Protestants (N. Ireland, anyone?) but I think this sort of statement will ignite distrust even in places that were previously not tension-filled.kwpersheyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02313821985751564632noreply@blogger.com